Collars 103 - Permanent collars, pt 2

[kissa_bites]

kissaHKM

A permanent collar can come in a LOT of forms - sometimes it's a nifty piece of jewelry and sometimes switched out for a day collar - something that is socially acceptable *grins* usually a necklace or bracelet that people won't recognize as being all BDSMy

LeaveYouInTears

With my last baby girl (note, not slave) I mad her tie a ribbon into a neat bow....someplace

kissaHKM

*smiles* that's sweet. i used to have my sub boy tie a pink ribbon around his cock. Less sweet

Ms Monster

My Sir and I will be getting one of those oh so pretty Eternity Collars.

kissaHKM

Master's permanent collar is a ring of round steel, Gor Turian style, for my wrist.

kissaHKM

Other ideas that people use to signify a permanent collar are brands, piercings, or tattoos

kissaHKM

While i would NEVER suggest that anyone tattoo someone's name on their body, a symbol is a lovely thing.

What do you all think of body mods as collars?

Ms Monster

We are also designing a tattoo for me as well. Not his name or anything, though.

kissaHKM

Ms Monster, ooooo, what of?

Ms Monster

kissaHKM We have not yet finished, so i'm not sure yet.

kissaHKM

Ms Monster, i would love to know. i'm not at all opposed to having Master's symbol in time

kissaHKM

Any thoughts?

Ms Monster

I already know where it is going, though... right hip, on the bone.

kissaHKM

*wince*

kissaHKM

ouchies

Hawkmoon

*purks up* ohhhh a tattoo for my me’shan, how lovely

Ms Monster

kissaHKM Exactly. I want to really earn this one.

kissaHKM

Gorean kajirae are usually branded on the left hip or upper thigh

kissaHKM

Vana'she, in time *smiles* but i'll leave a spot on my arm

Hawkmoon

kissaHKM yes objection who said arm ?

kissaHKM

i am slowly creating a charm bracelet around my right forearm

kissaHKM

*blinks* wellllll it would fit best there

Ms Monster

Brett I am getting a tattoo designed by both my Sir and I as a pernanant mark that I am his. It seens kissaHKM is also considering one.

Ms Monster

smittenkitten I feel the same about branding.

Hawkmoon

What if I said left thigh ?, or better yet went outside the norm and said right thigh ?

Ms Monster

Fine for others though. Just really not for me.

kissaHKM

i feel the same about branding, too *grins* maybe after ten years

smittenkitten

Ms Monster i seen pictures from a friend that branded his friends slave for him while he was away....ouchies

kissaHKM

Master, with the amount of cellulite i have, it is NOT going to look good

Hawkmoon

*nods* got ya

kissaHKM

The thing to remember is that a relationship collar is only a symbol.

kissaHKM

It can mean nothing or everything, depending on what's negotiated.

Hawkmoon

*nods* exactly

Ms Monster

smittenkitten No doubt. Any kind of burning or fire play is a super hard limit for me (candle wax excepted as that is super fun).

kissaHKM

It's just a thing... a piece of jewelry or leather. It's only a symbol.

Primas

Personally, it means everything to Me, But it does depend on the dynamic and the personalities

kissaHKM

for U/us, it's a symbol of our serious commitment and when it's applied to my wrist, won't come off. Literally, lol. Hex screw

kissaHKM

Two other kinds of collars are posture collars, which may or may not be a play collar, and a self-collar - a submissive making a commitment to herself and her own growth, usually after a breakup

kissaHKM

oh, duh, sorry, there's also a House collar, which signifies a submissive or slave's membership of a formal house or group. A Gorean Home Stone collar would be like this, too

LeaveYouInTears

Arent those more for the sake of objectifying, rather than a commitement between two?

kissaHKM

it's a commitment from the submissive to the group and the leadership of the group and the group's protection of her

LeaveYouInTears

Thats right. Reminds me of the free chicks that hand out an MC

kissaHKM

(please remember that i am all heteronormative with my male dominant and female submissive - insert your own dynamic here)

kissaHKM

LeaveYouInTears, should i be glad that i don't know what that is?

valkyrie

kissaHKM - I don't know what that is either

LeaveYouInTears

Motorcycle club. The dynamic is very similar in some aspects. Girls that hang out in the club, are usually free to use (unless stipulated), they are fed, taken care of and protected baring treachery. Old ladies are excusive to one man, their old man, (like sub and dom, master and slave)

kissaHKM

With a collar, often there's a collaring ceremony. It can be public or private, and as simple or complicated as you wish.

kissaHKM

It can be akin to a wedding and is usually only for permanent collarings.

kissaHKM

i have written a couple of collaring ceremonies. One of them is on the Garden, if you wish. There are many written out and posted online, should you wish to read them.

kissaHKM

With a collaring, there can, sadly, be a release. If the people don't actually hate each other, it can also be very lovely in its own way, with both people blessing each other to grow in different directions.

kissaHKM

i don't want to impost my own values on this talk, because that isn't my place, but a collar is, offline, usually a serious matter. Online... your milage may vary.

LeaveYouInTears

i tend to view collars the same way. Online can be tricky...people tend to be somewhat different online, or at least many people can be their idealised versions.

kissaHKM

Alas, i didn't discuss the one kind of collar that we all mock and laugh at... please, tell me what it is?

Ms Monster

I view collars as a very serious commitment.

Ms Monster

Velcro collars!

kissaHKM

yes!

kissaHKM

on and off as easy as a pair of panties!

kissaHKM

ooo i wub u soooooo much 4 evar!

kissaHKM

aaaand it's off in less than a week

LeaveYouInTears

yeah...no kiddin

Ms Monster

Until next week when the next one catches my eye!

kissaHKM

these folks, imho, need to be slapped upside the head - and then educated about what bdsm really is.

kissaHKM

again, ymmv

LeaveYouInTears

if they have fun, Im all for it, but when one is serious, and the other is in the land of make believe, then we got issues.

kissaHKM

exactamundo

LeaveYouInTears

Been there...done that, never wearing the t shirt

Primas

kissaHKM agree with the slap haha

LeaveYouInTears

I was thinking more of a tire iron

kissaHKM

there is NOTHING wrong with a collar of consideration. It tells other Doms to keep their filthy mitts off, and does give a formal connection without pledging life.

kissaHKM

LeaveYouInTears Sir, then they won't larn' nuthin'

LeaveYouInTears

Who said anything bout buk lurnin? I just wanna smack em senseless

kissaHKM

mind, i'm not one to talk, but Gor is different.

kissaHKM

In Gor, a slave must be owned by *someone. Either a person, a house, a tavern, the government, slavers... someone.

kissaHKM

(and don't let anyone tell you that it's not true because where they are is consensual. Gor isn't consensual, as we've discussed